well what? ok I was asked to join this by a friend..who acctualy gave me a good argument on lots of subs...some times I really shouldn't beleive her. anyway here I am confused off my gourd, from both an end-user and programmers point of veiw this place is in a state of confused dissarray. things are placed everywhere instead of neatly organized where it is A) nore user friendly and B) easier to find. well thats how things go though can't change the world by typing best to get off my lazy arse and do something about it.